1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,880 On the night of September 19, 1961, Mr. and Mrs. Barney Hill were driving through New Hampshire 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,840 on their way home to Portman, and they say they started applying saucer. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,760 There have been many such reports, but what makes the Hill's story interesting is that 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,640 they claim they were taking a board spacecraft by creatures who were human in appearance 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,240 and who examined them medically, and then told them to forget about the incident. 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,360 This encounter, this alleged encounter, has been made into a film now titled the UFO incident, 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,720 which will be shown and then be seen tonight at 9, 8 o'clock Central Time. 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:41,440 Mr. Hill died six years ago, but Mrs. Barney Hill is with us today to tell us about the incident, 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:47,640 and so is Dr. Benjamin Simon, a psychiatrist who used hypnosis to help probe the amnesia, 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,720 which both Mr. and Mrs. Hill said they suffered after this incident. 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:59,280 Mrs. Hill, you were first unable to account for what happened during the two hours that you were, 12 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:06,200 so you were taking a board of the spacecraft, and then under hypnosis you were able to recall incidents. 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Was there any other evidence of that happened? 14 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:16,320 Later, there were readout reports released of the object being seen. 15 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:25,440 We sort of pinpointed the time of this capture from about midnight to about two in the morning, 16 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,920 and I believe there were about seven readout reports of the object being seen around midnight, 17 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:39,920 and then later the Air Force and our area released a readout report, or it was still leaving the area at 2.14 a.m. 18 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,880 Do you know about the readout reports indicated? 19 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,240 I have a copy of the report. I don't have it with me. 20 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Dr. Simon, how did you first get involved in this? 21 00:01:50,720 --> 00:02:00,720 Barney was referred to me by a psychiatrist up in New Hampshire under whose care he'd been for about a year. 22 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:09,240 He was suffering from marked anxiety, hypertension, and also there's quite a few things indeed. 23 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,360 And was this before? 24 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,960 This was before the incident. 25 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:25,800 Well, it was after the incident, as we know now, but the incident itself came out in this psychiatrist's treatment. 26 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:36,280 In the interest of the human, he thought there might be a connection between Barney's anxiety and symptoms and the experience of that incident. 27 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,040 And so he was referred to me. 28 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:48,280 Betty was not in the picture in any sense of illness at the time, but Barney brought her along and asked us to see the two together. 29 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:54,800 And during that, they produced the NICAP report, a very condensed six page report. 30 00:02:54,800 --> 00:03:06,000 And as Barney's story developed, the story came out of Betty's dreams, which had taken place in the week or so after the actual incident. 31 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:12,720 What have you concluded from your examination of mystery, and is there still? 32 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,320 I don't understand. What did I conclude? 33 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:23,760 Did you conclude that they were actually, what aboard a spacecraft, or did you conclude that it was a fantasy? 34 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:30,000 I concluded that it was, if we make a dream, fancy, fancy, dream that it was a fantasy, as you put it. 35 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 In other words, that it was a dream. 36 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,560 So it did not happen? 37 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,120 The abduction did not happen. 38 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Now, the other incident came out clearly in both stories. 39 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:47,360 And it came out in Barney's treatment with the other characters. 40 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:55,040 So up to the point of the abduction, I feel quite confident that there was a whole experience. 41 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:02,880 An experience really UFO, if we clearly define that, it does not involve visitations from outer space, 42 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:09,200 but it does involve seeing an object which cannot be identified at the time, whatever it is. 43 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,640 I think that did take place, but from there on, I think it was largely a dream. 44 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:21,200 We have a scene from the film that will be on tonight in which Mrs. Hill, portrayed by Estelle Parsons, 45 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,880 tells her psychiatrist about the experience she and her husband Barney had with the men from outer space. 46 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,880 Here it is. 47 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,200 He's walking in this place. 48 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,200 And then I begin to get mad. 49 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:42,480 And I said to myself, who the heck are these characters and what are they things they're doing? 50 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,160 And I turn around and I say, Barney, wake up, Barney, why don't you wake up? 51 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,000 And I'm getting really annoyed at Barney. 52 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,800 And I say, Barney, wake up. 53 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,800 If Barney is me, and I wouldn't be. 54 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,800 And then, for Lisa, there's no reason to be afraid. 55 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,800 We just want to do some tests. 56 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,800 And then when the tests are over, we'll take you and Barney back to your class. 57 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,800 You'll be on your way back home in no time. 58 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:31,600 And then, back to a clearly new... oh, I wish it were once less. 59 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,600 It's a better picture. 60 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,600 That's the problem. 61 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,600 The object is on the ground. 62 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,600 Barney's sitting on the ground. 63 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,600 The object was on the ground? 64 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,400 The object is on the ground. 65 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,400 And I said, at first, they moved. 66 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,400 The ground's down? 67 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,400 And then, there's a car that's in the... 68 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,400 And a car that lives in Rome. 69 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,400 And a bus that lives in Rome. 70 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,400 And then another man comes in, I haven't seen him before. 71 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,200 And I both look at him as a machine here. 72 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,200 What do you think they were doing? 73 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,200 I have an idea. 74 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,200 They're taking a picture of my camp. 75 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,200 I don't see how kind of things. 76 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,200 And then they took something like a water opener. 77 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,200 And they sprayed it on me. 78 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,000 And they sprayed my arm here. 79 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:54,000 And then they put the little skin spray in it. 80 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 He's just so funny. 81 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 He's so funny. 82 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 That's all they did. 83 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 They filled my hair. 84 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,000 They packed up my neck. 85 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 And they took cover of the strings. 86 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 They pulled it out. 87 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 The examiner tells me to take my dress off 88 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 before I even have a chance to stand up to do it. 89 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,000 The dress has a zipper down the back? 90 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 There's a zipper down the back. 91 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 The examiner unzips it. 92 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,000 And he's my driver. 93 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 And they're talking. 94 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And I can't stand up to what they're saying. 95 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000 I couldn't understand that part. 96 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:42,000 I want to pack my neck. 97 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,000 You've not seen that before, Menacelle? 98 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 No. 99 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 What is your reaction? 100 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Oh, I think it's about poppin's. 101 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 It's tremendous. 102 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Absolutely tremendous. 103 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Just like my voice does in the case of a hypnosis. 104 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 You have here a model. 105 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Is this an accurate representation of what you recall? 106 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,000 This not best here is similar to the occupants that I saw. 107 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Although this is sort of a dressed up, pretty version. 108 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Again, the film is called UFO Resident. 109 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 It'll be seen tonight on NBC. 110 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 And it'll be shown later, however, at the World Series. 111 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 It's played in the scene. 112 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 We must pause for a station break.